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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:51 pm    Post subject: Will patrons kindly refrain from... swimming poster. Reply with quote

Hi there,

I am interested in using the old Will patrons kindly refrain from... swimming pool poster on a range of products.

It dates from the 1970's / 80's and I am unsure of it's copyright status and whether I could reproduce it without infringement.

CIMSPA claim they own the copyright and say the image can only be licensed from them. However they were only founded in 2011 so I don't see how they can claim to own the copyright on the poster?

Can anyone suggest where I can get independent clarification on it's copyright?

Thanks in advance

Mark
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi markymark,
I'm not entirely sure which poster you are referring to. I assume it's probably this one
(Image source: CIMSPA website. Quoted here under section 30 (1) & (1ZA) of the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988)
since it appears on the CIMSPA website, and not the obviously much older one shown here

On the basis that it is the first one, I'm not sure why you doubt that CIMSPA owns the copyright, assuming of course that it is still protected by copyright. But given that the artwork appears to be from second half* of the last century, I think it highly probable that copyright still applies.

CIMSPA could have bought or inherited the rights to the poster from an earlier organisation, so the fact that they were only formed in 2011 doesn't mean they couldn't own the rights. I suggest you contact them for an explanation. See if they can supply the name of the artist, since any copyright will be based on his date of death (assuming he has actually died of course). If they don't know that information, then it might prompt the further question of what documentary evidence they do have to show that they own the copyright.

Interestingly, when checking Google images on this subject, I noted that there were several parodies of the 'CIMSPA' poster. Obviously I don't know whether the authors of these got permission first.

*based on the fact the girl is wearing a bikini, which wasn't invented until 1946.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your help Andy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digging around, it seems that the earlier posters were the work of the Institute of Baths and Recreation Management, subsequently the Institute of Sport and Recreation Management, subsequently... the Chartered Institute for the Management of Sport and Physical Activity.
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